Saturday, February 21, 2015

Surname Saturday ~ Descendants of Peter Rementer ~ No World Tree for me



AncestryDNA is making many many terrible mistakes with their product.Last week they blogged at Roots Tech about their improved Circle which would make Trees unnecessary.

Here is what happens without accurate records. In my only Circle at AncestryDNA I have 4 people. One person does not descend from my Francis X. Rementer at all,but from someone else via this Frederick Rementer. He does not seem to know this although he did once have it in his Tree. This death certificate ( from Ancestry.com) proves it..

Everyone is moving towards a One World Tree which has vast and awful implications I think..

I am not cooperating with anything besides my own basic lines. I started to put a Tree on Family Search.org but they started to load incorrect information so I took it out.. and they reprimanded me saying that I had removed other people's information..which was untrue.

" Dear Kathleen Carrow Ingram,

According to our research, you have recently deleted more than 25 records from Family Tree. Deleting records that you have not contributed will affect family history work of others...
Just as a reminder, Family Tree is an open-edit, collaborative system.  There are no private records or pedigrees in Family Tree, except those records of living individuals that you create...  If you wish to have private records of your ancestors, we suggest you use a personal computer program that is not online"

What I actually DID do is to delete a Tree that I was building on my own sign in at their site. Shame on me!!

My personal rant on Surname Saturday!

Saturday, February 7, 2015

Shopping Saturday - Choices in Family Trees


Family Trees are a bit confusing.. 

My Heritage for me is free at this point in time but to confirm anything it wants to upgrade to Premium.. I only intend to have a tree less than 250 nodes( people?) so that it remains free.. so I cannot ever confirm anything..and just at 23andme.. if they expand it, I will expand it but for right now it does not allow me.. I do have all of my genetic relatives attached to the 23andme tree.. 11 of us connected..

Others use Familysearch.org.. Can it stay private? Does anyone have a Tree there? Thinking about that one also since record search is free..

However Ancestry.com which is decidedly NOT Free and that I pay through the nose to use as World Deluxe ( Irish and UK records) is likely what I will stay with..

My Tribal Pages Tree may remain but I am NOT going to upgrade to premium this year as Ancestry.com has my major Tree..

Who else has something else?

There is a Tree of sorts at FamilyTreeDNA but it is not a good one I don't think..
 I should go and look and make sure the Gedcom is current.. which it probably is NOT

Software does not work for me..Twice I purchased Family Tree Maker and it crashed completely..
 I do have the free Legacy software that also lets me keep records but if my computer crashed then that crashes also..

SOOO Ancestry.com it is for now..

Thursday, January 29, 2015

My Kirwan Cousins - Published in First State Genealogist ~ newsletter of Delaware Genealogical Society January 2015 ~





                                                   Paper records and DNA


I do a lot of work with DNA and have done so since about 2005 when my first cousin, Francis Faunt tested his DNA via the National Geographic project and catapulted us into another age and broke down brick walls between our family and the “old country”. He matched a man named Fant, of the Virginia Fant family is his Y line, which is my own grandfather’s male ( Y) Line. Their family had been in Virginia since the late 17 century while our folks were clearly still ensconced in Limerick.
Three major companies test DNA for genealogical purposes, more actually but let us stick to the 3 main ones. These companies which test DNA ancestrally in what is called autosomal DNA or “Cousin Tests” are: 23andme.com, AncestryDNA and Family Tree DNA.
I am an Administrator of 5 “Surname groups” at Family Tree DNA, including the large Lower Delmarva DNA group and my own Carrow and Faunt surname groups which are also in the Guild of One Name Studies. I have tested more than 20 persons in my own line using the “cousin tests”. I was a “beta tester” with 23andme when the first such test went public.
The majority of tested persons in my family is at 23andme, which I like the best for autosomal cousin matches. I also, as mentioned tested years ago at Family Tree DNA and still have a big presence there. Ancestry DNA which has a huge database, almost as large as 23andme has only one test from my lines..me! The reason for that is that aside from their “Trees” they have no “tools” to use to make sure that we are really looking at a DNA match that we inherited from a common ancestor with other cousins.


So oddly enough the single test from AncestryDNA has given me some recent stupendous results. A few years ago a cousin contacted me whose ancestor Anna Kirwan Downey was sister to my Great Grandmother Sadie Kirwan Carrow. Sadie and Annie were daughters of Patrick Kirwan and Lizzie Sweeney. He was adopted. The Sweeny/Huey line is well documented in NJ and Leckpatrick Tyrone and also, we now know, has offshoots in Chicago and has Delaware ties as well. ( More on that in a moment)
Anna Kirwan apparently marries Daniel Downey in Delaware and her sister Sadie Kirwan meets and marries Grover Carrow through her sister. I did always wonder why. And how she met him as both were young and likely not so very mobile. The men were working at Fort Delaware and Sadie and Grover Carrow lived there until the WWI when they moved to Carneys Point NJ.


All of these questions were solved when Five 3rd cousin matches jumped out at me when I finally tested at AncestryDNA, or very shortly thereafter. As I had mentioned, I had been reluctant to test there because they lack any type of comparison tools to make sure that we have inherited a segment of DNA from a common ancestor. The fact that their database of tested persons now exceeds 600,000 testers overcame my reluctance. Many researcher believe in “Fishing in all 3 ponds” which is all 3 companies. 23andme’s 800,000 testers and Family Tree DNA’s growing database of autosomal testers which although small at 150,000 is growing weekly. All three of these added together means that I am comparing segments of DNA against a pool of people which is soon to approach 2 million.


My 3rd cousin who is a Downey and a Kirwan turned up on my AncestryDNA 2 months ago and also matches another person who is a 3rd cousin. The new 3rd cousin shares segments of DNA which do indeed come from a shared ancestor, but her research does not tell us who that person or persons are. That they are Irish is definite as she has no other ethnicity in her background.


Enter Cousins 4 and 5 2 months ago, also at AncestryDNA. Well Cousins 4 and 5 were THERE prior to this date, but Ancestry DNA “refined” their interpretation of DNA matches in late November. When they did that, a HUGE amount of small matches were discarded and existing matches were sometimes enhanced.


At this point I was able to see that I had 3rd and 4th cousins sharing the surname of Kirwan and living in Chicago. My 2nd great grandfather Patrick Kirwan had come from Ireland to Southern New Jersey before 1878 when his daughter is born in Salem County to his wife Lizzie Sweeney. These new cousins felt that their ancestor, Sylvester Kirwan was from Carlow. My Irish researcher and myself had chased my Patrick all over Ireland with negligible luck. A death record and a marriage document indicated his parents were Jane or Jenny Kelly and Michael Kirwan AND his only son had been named Sylvester. Wow!
So someplace in County Carlow was probable and I went back and looked. After my Lizzie Sweeney died tragically leaving 5 children and a new born who did not long survive her, Patrick remarries. Patrick remarries very shortly after he is widowed to someone from Philadelphia. How did he find her? She was born in Knockroe Borris Carlow so we went and looked there. Yes. There is my Patrick being born to Jane Kelly and Michael Kirwan and 5 of his siblings. Jubilation for all of us.


What does the proof look like? Well for many many thousands of people the proof is that AncestryDNA indicates they are 3-4th cousins. Not good enough for researchers so I had to beg these cousin matches to “Download” their raw genome ( DNA segments) to a place called Gedmatch.com. The other companies do it internally but not Ancestry. No tools remember? Here are the results.
Some of us share a Chromosome # 13 segments and some share #11 and some of us share more than that and from who remains to be seen.




Chr
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
SNPs
13
18201482
30273581
26.4
1808


11
75658173
100268196
22.4
6279
13
17956717
28043323
21.5
3087




13
17956717
46594587
51.6
8432
20
41630837
45868746
8.0
1295


Chr
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
SNPs
3
153404064
196304359
55.9
8697
11
104582818
120309501
19.1
4052

My lesson here is that we need more than a common surname or a common location as paper records can be wrong, and conversely we need more than just DNA as how do we link it to a common ancestor?Everything that is in my arsenal is what I use, and I have broken down a big brick wall in my Kirwan line.
I also should add for you that my Carrow lines had DNA matches right away, almost as soon as 23andme went public with the first cousin test in 2009. Some of these lines go back to 1750, again with paper records as dual confirmation. It takes a lot of work and it is not magic nor is it a shortcut. Just proof.



Kathleen Carrow Ingram

Saturday, December 6, 2014

Surname Saturday - Kirwans of Borris, County Carlow, and the DNA pile up regions

AncestryDNA has a very large database, second only to 23andme which is why I finally tested my own genome there in 2104, kicking and screaming the whole way. 

I received my results back Easter weekend and was very pleasantly surprised to identify a known Carrow descendant, and her brother as my 4th cousin. At some point I realized I had cousins in this database who  shared my Kirwan/Sweeny line. 


There were other matches, not surprisingly, since I had at that point more than 11,500 matches.Eventually that amount topped out over 13,000 a ludicrous amount.A long anticipated and discussed "correction" of these matches, the majority of which were supposedly "IBS" or Identity by State was to happen late in 2014. IBD means we inherit genes from a parent and IBS essentially means  they could be not ancestral at all.


This correction when it occurred left me with 11% of the matches that I had 5 minutes before. This fact is known because Ancestry saved the whole big mess from before as a download. I was able to look and see that one Kirwan cousin was my match  #865 and his son #866 prior to the match. After the correction they moved up to #11 and #14 and jumped into my field of vision.


Other persons moved down  in hierarchy ( if there is a hierarchy based on relatedness) and  of course 89% of those matches disappeared. I sadly waved goodbye to some small Carrow matches and a few Fant from Virginia matches, who I never felt could be real anyway. My Kirwan  3rd cousin with a known ancestral ties to me moved from #24 to #57 and he tells me that I was once quite high on his list and now #27. He is still my third cousin of course but it is important to look at all changes and try to understand them.


AncestryDNA's white paper discusses ancestral "pile ups" and as an attempt to visualize them I went into Gedmatch today and posted the result of MATCHES ABOVE IN BLUE. Some of it I do see here or what I think it is because one of my Kirwan cousins is on here in an area begun and dominated by my Faunt cousin Francis. Odd as I do know that these cousins do not share my Limerick Faunts or my Donegal Dugans with me. 

I am concluding at his moment that some of these segments are as a result of very very old DNA from Ireland, surely an example of "by state", in this case the SNPs are pointing to a shared ancestral region shared by many. I also realize that this is not an accurate representation of "pile ups" but since Gedmatch came up today I took a peek at the segments I was questioning.


AncestryDNA does not yet market their product in the UK so it is possible their algorithm has excluded or included certain ancestral populations or is skewed in some other fashion not yet clear to me. 23andme has begin their UK and Canadian marketing push and they will incorporate some of the "nodes" of ancestral couple in their collaboration with My Heritage which has begin it's work.







Sunday, November 30, 2014

Church Record Sunday - Parochial Registers of Borris Carlow ~ Kirwans and DNA ancestors

       


Apparently a few years ago a cousin contacted me whose ancestor Anna Kirwan Downey was sister to my Great Grandmother Sadie Kirwan Carrow. Sadie and Annie were daughters of Patrick Kirwan and Lizzie Sweeney. The Sweeny/Huey line is well documented in NJ and Leckpatrick Tyrone.
This 3rd cousin turned up on my AncestryDNA 2 months ago and also matches another person who is a 3rd cousin. Our common ancestral segment can be seen below on Chromosome #13. Cousin #3 has no known Kirwans or Sweeneys but her ancestry is known to her and is recent.She and I are the large 51.6 cm and the smaller 8 cM .

Enter Cousins 4 and 5 a week or so ago also at AncestryDNA. Well Cousins 4 and 5 were THERE prior to AncestryDNA's refinement as # 865 and #866...What?? After the refinement they now comfortably rest at #s 11 and 14 and are father and son.    
Chr
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
SNPs
13
18201482
30273581
26.4
1808
  

11
75658173
100268196
22.4
6279
13
17956717
28043323
21.5
3087


                                                   
13
17956717
46594587
51.6
8432
20
41630837
45868746
8.0
1295
Cousins 4 and 5 also descend from Kerwins with the given name of Sylvester which is found in my Kirwans. They have an ancestral area of Carlow. So John McDermot my friendly Irish researcher and I put our heads together, and with some other clues (Patrick's 2nd marriage to a girl from Borris Knockroe) finally, 8 years after the fact have found Patrick's birth.

As he always said in documents his parents were Michael Kirwan and Jane/Jenny Kelly and they married and had 5 ( at least ) children in Borris Carlow between 1843 and 1855. Here is Patrick's birth from Parochial records: 27 Mar 1853-Pat,  Mick Kirwan &  Jane Kelly  with sponsors James Hickey & Maria Kirwan Knockroe.

Wait!! Not only do we not find Sylvester Kirwan/Kerwin in this happy little group but the DNA looks like what I am showing below so does not match with what the other 3 inherited.
Chr
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
SNPs
7
1269965
16882053
27.3
4704

Chr Start LocationEnd LocationCentimorgans (cM)SNPs
315340406419630435955.98697
1110458281812030950119.14052

Directly above is Cousin 3 with cousin 5, Cousin 2 with Cousin 5 is right below that  I have a Chromosome # 10 match of 29cM with Cousin #5( Not shown)  ..Who only in the last week had moved up at AncestryDNA from # 865 to  projected Cousin #11 in my Top 25 cousins.

Thankfully, Cousin 2 has now tested at my urging at 23andme and moved his Ancestry results into FTDNA and Gedmatch and cousins 3,4 and 5 are at Gedmatch and FTDNA where these results are from. 

My moral here is that despite BIG matches and common geographic locations we do not always know our DNA ancestors for sure, although we see that we are related. 

Thanks to an informative series of posts this weekend at ISOGG and with some insight from an abstract posted by Debbie Kennett, I am realizing that  I have miles to go before we solve this mystery. The abstract had to do with how many genetic relatives we might have in common and all of these cousins seem to share more than one other family with me and each other. How many? It remains to be seen.


Sunday, November 16, 2014

Sunday's Obituary- Virginia, African-American Funeral Programs 1920-2009


                 My Grandson's elusive Tappahannock Virginia family was discovered  here:
                           Virginia, African-American Funeral Programs, 1920-2009
                                                               FamilySearch.org



Wednesday, November 12, 2014

Wordless Wednesday - Patrick Kirwan,Lizzie Sweeney and/or their parents

Utilizing DNA involves choosing a company that has tools to use. These colors represent DNA that 3 persons and myself received from a common ancestor to me. This Person does not match This Person however. This Person and MYSELF match all of them.