Saturday, December 6, 2014

Surname Saturday - Kirwans of Borris, County Carlow, and the DNA pile up regions

AncestryDNA has a very large database, second only to 23andme which is why I finally tested my own genome there in 2104, kicking and screaming the whole way. 

I received my results back Easter weekend and was very pleasantly surprised to identify a known Carrow descendant, and her brother as my 4th cousin. At some point I realized I had cousins in this database who  shared my Kirwan/Sweeny line. 

There were other matches, not surprisingly, since I had at that point more than 11,500 matches.Eventually that amount topped out over 13,000 a ludicrous amount.A long anticipated and discussed "correction" of these matches, the majority of which were supposedly "IBS" or Identity by State was to happen late in 2014. IBD means we inherit genes from a parent and IBS essentially means  they could be not ancestral at all.

This correction when it occurred left me with 11% of the matches that I had 5 minutes before. This fact is known because Ancestry saved the whole big mess from before as a download. I was able to look and see that one Kirwan cousin was my match  #865 and his son #866 prior to the match. After the correction they moved up to #11 and #14 and jumped into my field of vision.

Other persons moved down  in hierarchy ( if there is a hierarchy based on relatedness) and  of course 89% of those matches disappeared. I sadly waved goodbye to some small Carrow matches and a few Fant from Virginia matches, who I never felt could be real anyway. My Kirwan  3rd cousin with a known ancestral ties to me moved from #24 to #57 and he tells me that I was once quite high on his list and now #27. He is still my third cousin of course but it is important to look at all changes and try to understand them.

AncestryDNA's white paper discusses ancestral "pile ups" and as an attempt to visualize them I went into Gedmatch today and posted the result of MATCHES ABOVE IN BLUE. Some of it I do see here or what I think it is because one of my Kirwan cousins is on here in an area begun and dominated by my Faunt cousin Francis. Odd as I do know that these cousins do not share my Limerick Faunts or my Donegal Dugans with me. 

I am concluding at his moment that some of these segments are as a result of very very old DNA from Ireland, surely an example of "by state", in this case the SNPs are pointing to a shared ancestral region shared by many. I also realize that this is not an accurate representation of "pile ups" but since Gedmatch came up today I took a peek at the segments I was questioning.

AncestryDNA does not yet market their product in the UK so it is possible their algorithm has excluded or included certain ancestral populations or is skewed in some other fashion not yet clear to me. 23andme has begin their UK and Canadian marketing push and they will incorporate some of the "nodes" of ancestral couple in their collaboration with My Heritage which has begin it's work.

Sunday, November 30, 2014

Church Record Sunday - Parochial Registers of Borris Carlow ~ Kirwans and DNA ancestors


Apparently a few years ago a cousin contacted me whose ancestor Anna Kirwan Downey was sister to my Great Grandmother Sadie Kirwan Carrow. Sadie and Annie were daughters of Patrick Kirwan and Lizzie Sweeney. The Sweeny/Huey line is well documented in NJ and Leckpatrick Tyrone.
This 3rd cousin turned up on my AncestryDNA 2 months ago and also matches another person who is a 3rd cousin. Our common ancestral segment can be seen below on Chromosome #13. Cousin #3 has no known Kirwans or Sweeneys but her ancestry is known to her and is recent.She and I are the large 51.6 cm and the smaller 8 cM .

Enter Cousins 4 and 5 a week or so ago also at AncestryDNA. Well Cousins 4 and 5 were THERE prior to AncestryDNA's refinement as # 865 and #866...What?? After the refinement they now comfortably rest at #s 11 and 14 and are father and son.    
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)


Cousins 4 and 5 also descend from Kerwins with the given name of Sylvester which is found in my Kirwans. They have an ancestral area of Carlow. So John McDermot my friendly Irish researcher and I put our heads together, and with some other clues (Patrick's 2nd marriage to a girl from Borris Knockroe) finally, 8 years after the fact have found Patrick's birth.

As he always said in documents his parents were Michael Kirwan and Jane/Jenny Kelly and they married and had 5 ( at least ) children in Borris Carlow between 1843 and 1855. Here is Patrick's birth from Parochial records: 27 Mar 1853-Pat,  Mick Kirwan &  Jane Kelly  with sponsors James Hickey & Maria Kirwan Knockroe.

Wait!! Not only do we not find Sylvester Kirwan/Kerwin in this happy little group but the DNA looks like what I am showing below so does not match with what the other 3 inherited.
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)

Chr Start LocationEnd LocationCentimorgans (cM)SNPs

Directly above is Cousin 3 with cousin 5, Cousin 2 with Cousin 5 is right below that  I have a Chromosome # 10 match of 29cM with Cousin #5( Not shown)  ..Who only in the last week had moved up at AncestryDNA from # 865 to  projected Cousin #11 in my Top 25 cousins.

Thankfully, Cousin 2 has now tested at my urging at 23andme and moved his Ancestry results into FTDNA and Gedmatch and cousins 3,4 and 5 are at Gedmatch and FTDNA where these results are from. 

My moral here is that despite BIG matches and common geographic locations we do not always know our DNA ancestors for sure, although we see that we are related. 

Thanks to an informative series of posts this weekend at ISOGG and with some insight from an abstract posted by Debbie Kennett, I am realizing that  I have miles to go before we solve this mystery. The abstract had to do with how many genetic relatives we might have in common and all of these cousins seem to share more than one other family with me and each other. How many? It remains to be seen.

Sunday, November 16, 2014

Sunday's Obituary- Virginia, African-American Funeral Programs 1920-2009

                 My Grandson's elusive Tappahannock Virginia family was discovered  here:
                           Virginia, African-American Funeral Programs, 1920-2009

Wednesday, November 12, 2014

Wordless Wednesday - Patrick Kirwan,Lizzie Sweeney and/or their parents

Utilizing DNA involves choosing a company that has tools to use. These colors represent DNA that 3 persons and myself received from a common ancestor to me. This Person does not match This Person however. This Person and MYSELF match all of them.

Thursday, November 6, 2014

Treasure Trove Thursday - 1821 Irish Census Fragment - Brady in Cavan and Meath

What I am wondering is if I am making myself confused, or did all of the Bradys and Kirwans in my line leave for America from this area. Is it the same area really though? Census fragments only show part  of it apparently.

There are two Sylvester Bradys living in Cavan or Meath at this time and are they the same family.

Sylvester Brady is a policeman and marries a Bridget Hood( or Flood) Jan 1, 1859 in Bohermeen Meath, near Navan where I think this Sylvester dies.

Another Sylvester Brady marries Rose Cook in Mt.Nugent( per the record) or Mountnugent in 1846. This is in Cavan and Meath, or at least the village is in Meath and  not too distant from Butlers Bridge where my rleated Bradys came from.

I also found this  in a public Tree of descendants of the second Sylvester Brady which makes me wonder if this is  my family also:
" The pages that she made are glued into a bible that came across on a sailing ship which left Waterford in 1866 in the possession of Maria (spoken "Mariah") then 14 years old.  According to four originally blank pages in that bible which evidently were meant to record things like births and deaths, etc., and preceding those that my grandmother glued into that bible, was documentation written by the parish priest of Kilbride Parish in Mt. Nugent (because he was the only one that could read or write given the English Penal Laws on the Irish Catholics at that time); it states that seven of the ten children were going to go to America on a sailing ship and only three sons, Timatay, Edward and John, were to stay in Mt. Nugent to tend to their home and parents on the "Tonagh land" in Mt. Nugent. "

Sunday, August 31, 2014

Census Sunday - Friends of Friends From the Delaware Archives

Although not exactly from the census but records, for sure, I discovered the Collections Gateway from the Delaware Public Archives. Searchable and downloadable for a lot of indexes, this one was Apprentice Indentures. I looked up my Carrows and found who was apprenticed to who and found Timothy Carrow apprenticing  two females for household servants.Emily Wright, who I find in the census as  Eunity Wright  and Sarah Elizabeth Duff.

I want to note that these indentures did not note race. Carrows who were not of color were indentured also as it was how life training took place. One Carrow man, Goldsmith Day Carrow who in later years was  a prominent minister and missionary in his youth was apprenticed as a tailor. In using this index I was able to look into the past for several lines of my own family.

Eunity Wright is found in the household of Timothy Carrow in 1867 as a 3 year old and is described as white but I later find her listed as black. The Apprentice record calls her Emily but I think this is her. She is apprenticed for 15 years on 6 Feb 1869. In 1800 at 14 she and a Renatta Clarkson, same age, were living in Little Creek Delaware in the household of  Benjamin Hamm. In the 1900 census, on June 5th, she is in the household of Sallie Morris and it is stated she is a widow and mother of 2 children not living. 6 Dec 1901 she marries James H. Collins, 45, of Leipsic who is son of John Collins and Lidia.  Eunity Collins dies  21 Jul 1905 in Dover. I do not find James Collins after that, although he had a large family of origin with brothers Isaac H.,Albert, William and John and sisters Hannah and Elizabeth.

Sarah Elizabeth Duff was born in 1828, and was apprenticed to Timothy Carrow on 5 Nov 1841 for 4 years. In the 1850 Duck Creek Hundred census she is living with her mother Priscilla, 50, who is then married to  a Robert Temple, 55, as well as a Josiah Temple who is 5 and  Abritta Morris, 8, who may be her sister and a one year old George Stewart, listed as mulatto, who is her son.

Elizabeth Duff marries James Hazzard 23 Jan 1851.She names her second daughter Priscilla so I am assuming her mother is Priscilla Temple. In the 1860 census her children are listed as Priscilla, George,Elizabeth and Shepherd Hazzard. 1870 finds James and Elizabeth Hazzard living in Philadelphia with Frank Hazzard 3, and William ( is this Shepherd?) in the home of a Doctor David Right. James dies  27 Dec 1872  and is buried in Lebanon Cemetery in Philadelphia.

Someone from the Crippen Dicks family has made corrections to  Abritta Morris' name. Since both of these girls were apprenticed to Timothy Carrow of Duck Creek Hundred and Eunity collins lives with Sallie Morris in 1900, I suspect these 2 may be connected in some fashion.

James Morris later marries Sarah E. Davis on June 7, 1883, daughter of Perry and Molesa/Molena Davis  and states that his parents are George and Aberella(Abritta). In 1930 he is widowed and living with his mother and a Anna E. Reading in Smyrna.

Thursday, August 14, 2014

Treasure Chest Thursday - Maryland State Archives: St. Mary's County Career Files

Since it is necessary to see where the Carrows lived before appearing in North Carolina in 1695 and Dorchester and Queen Ann  Maryland around 1700, Evan remains important. He is Deputy Sheriff in Accomac Virginia in July 1667, when he is first found and must then indenture to Mark Cordea for his transportation to Maryland. At one point I found him in Queen Ann in 1682, possibly as Juror.

Also appearing in Accomac records in  August  1667 is Rowland who is transported by Thomas Miller, who also got headrights for Morgan Aprice,Edgar Jones,Mary Morgan, John Welsh and Eliza Wilkins.