Treasure Chest Thursday - Y DNA SNPS, Southern Baltic Haplotypes and other findings

One of my goals for the New Year was to break down the Carrow origin brick wall. It is beginning to crumble now, thanks to my attention to comparing Y lines as they have been tested at both 23andme and Family Tree DNA. This is the treasure chest that I am unlocking  this week, with a lot of help from more scientific folks than me.All of these lovely men testing has resulted in a plethora of results to tiptoe though and match with. BigY,Geno2,and other places to hunt SNPS and gather them.

Apparently both my Carrow and Rementer lines are part of the same haplotype called Southern Baltic Modal. What does that mean? Well for some of the Carrows it means that they descend from  a man who came out of the Ice Age area that was favorable to human life and found his way into the English Midlands.
He COULD have gone further south on the European Continent first and then went over. Was he Saxon or Danish? His descendants are found in the Danelaw areas. Could he have been from Wales? Possibly South Wales. We will continue to SNP test as new ones evolve.

Peter Rementer we know came from Europe with the Palatinate diaspora. He spoke German, was Catholic and from a military family, most probably, hence the Regimenter/Regimender surname that we find.Alsace has been mentioned and also Mainz in West Germany. He did not travel really far "After the Ice", as the saying goes.

I am very grateful for these new clues and for male Rementer and Carrow cousins who have accompanied me on this search. We are getting somewhere.

Follow Friday - Curia Regis - early Carrow findings

County Cornwall.

Place:  Westminster.

Date:  The day after Ascension, 16 Edward IV [24 May 1476].

Parties:  John Carowe, clerk, and William Stephyn', chaplain, querents, and Thomas Tregose and Annora, his wife, deforciants.

Property:  10 messuages, 4 tofts, 1 mill, 4 gardens, 200 acres of land, 20 acres of meadow, 40 acres of pasture and 40 acres of furze and heath in Kenegy Thomma, Kenegy Osbourne, Loscosek and Boscruke.

Action:  Plea of covenant.

Agreement:  Thomas and Annora have acknowledged the tenements to be the right of John, as those which John and William have of their gift, and have remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Annora to John and William and the heirs of John for ever.

Warranty:  Warranty.

For this:  John and William have granted to Thomas and Annora the tenements and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Thomas and Annora and the heirs of Annora, of the chief lords for ever.

County:  Cornwall. Devon. Somerset. Oxfordshire.

Place:  Westminster.

Date:  Two weeks from Easter, 1 Henry VI [18 April 1423].

Parties:  Nicholas, bishop of Bath, Edmund, bishop of Exeter, John Typtoft, knight, Thomas Carwe, knight, John Hals, John Juyn', Robert Longe, Roger Trewebody, Thomas Cokayn and John Lawer, querents, and Walter de Hungerford', knight, and Katherine, his wife, and William Talbot, knight, and Eleanor, his wife, deforciants.

Property:  The manors of Newelond', Parke, Hametethy, Trevigowe, Penhale, Hermena, Tresodran', Treflyghan, Nansyrgh', Dounant (or Donnant) and Rillaton' in the county of Cornwall and the manors of South'pole, Harleston', Wolmeston', Plymtre, Sutton' Lucy and Colewyll' and the advowson of the church of Depford' in the county of Devon and the manors of Wotton', Southcadbury, Maperton', Halton', Clopton' and Hatherley in the county of Somerset and the manor of Stoke Mulys in the county of Oxford.

County:  Buckinghamshire. 
Place:  Westminster. 
Date:  The day after Ascension, 21 Henry VII [22 May 1506]. And afterwards one week from Holy Trinity in the same year [14 June 1506]. 
Parties:  John Carowe, knight, and Edith, his wife, Robert Throgmerton', knight, William Mordaunt, William Gascoigne, Wistan (Wistanus) Broun', John Vynter and Robert Spencer, querents, and William Fetyplace and Elizabeth, his wife, deforciants. 
Property:  100 acres of land in Briddesthorn' otherwise called Bridesthorn'. 
Action:  Plea of covenant. 
Agreement:  William Fetyplace and Elizabeth have acknowledged the land to be the right of William Mordaunt, and have remised and quitclaimed it from themselves and the heirs of Elizabeth to John, Edith, Robert, William Mordaunt, William Gascoigne, Wistan, John and Robert and the heirs of William Mordaunt for ever. 
Warranty:  Warranty against John, abbot of St Peter, Westminster, and his successors. 
For this:  John, Edith, Robert, William Mordaunt, William Gascoigne, Wistan, John and Robert have given them 100 marks of silver. 

Mystery Monday - Where is Curry Rivel ?

Big thanks for solving this mystery goes to the Guild of One-Name folks on Rootsweb, the "go to" people.
When I found this couple Was thoroughly confused .
Whittlesford, Cambridgeshire, England 1633, Nov. 12
William Wrinch of Teversham  Sara Carrow of Teversham sp aged above 22 years 
 at St Edward 
 Surrogate: Robert King ..Curry Rivel Cambridgeshire: - Registers of Marriages, 1558-1813

Was this Cambridge or Somerset this couple lived and married in? Others on the web had been similarly puzzled. What my Guild UK folks let me know was that often Ancestry.com records are mislabeled and categorized. I now know that two distinct families of Carrows are living in  both places at the same time.

Were they connected? Are my family of single or plural origins? That is now my 2014 mystery to solve.

Surname Saturday ~ Guild of One-Name Studies ~ Carrow surname

                                                              Carrow Abbey


I recently have joined the Guild of One-Name Studies for Carrow with variants Carowe,Carru, Corrow etc. We are definitely hoping to find the origin of our Carrow family who are in the United States as early as 1639-40.

Possibilities are the three largest pockets  of those carrying the name in Cambridge, Norfolk  and Somerset in the late 16th and early 17th century. Southern England surely is the most likely with Somerset currently higher in my sights. Why? There is some history of Carrows from Somersetshire being transported to the American Colonies in the 17th century. The family then departs from that area and later begin to move back there.

I am excited about the search possibilities.

Friday Faces From the Past ~ 50 years ago today

50 years ago today, most of these people were together. Ronnie and I were recently married and Jeannie and Mac would soon be engaged.
Jeannie and I were at the Salem Employment Office inquiring about part time jobs. I was enrolled at Glassboro State College part time and would take my first course in January..

I feel like I remember that there was a TV station was on at the Employment Office but maybe it was the radio. We did leave. I was stunned.

That night Ronnie and I had arranged to have our marriage convalidated in the Catholic Church. We had had a small civil ceremony for that reason as Ronnie was not yet Catholic. Checking with the priest he felt we should proceed with that plan. Joe Harrington "stood up" with us ..and my sister Carol maybe? I only remember Joe..

St. James church was mobbed with people praying and lighting candles..rosary beads..black head coverings ( pre Vatican II).. My church was in mourning for one of their own..a Catholic boy..

My family was in mourning for one of their own.. an Irish boy..

Would anything ever be this bad, my own folk felt?

Apparently it would.. 50 years later we are still divided as a country into Catholic and Protestant...Democrat and Republican..Black and White..

50 years later I still cry..and want to scream and throw things... Because of divisiveness that is just as bad and just as ugly.. uglier maybe? I was young then and idealistic..
I am not sure..

Requiescat In Pace Et Lux Perpetua ~ John Kennedy and Ronald Morrison ~ that is what my ain folk said then and would say now..

Thankful Thursday- One Family ~ Carrows of Delmarva and North Carolina

                                                          Carrow House  Bath NC
So very thankful today that after seven years of DNA testing and eleven years of genealogical work we know that  at least one line from the North Carolina Carrows and at least one line from the Delaware Carrows descend from the same male. We are all distant and not so distant cousins. Would we know this without the advent of DNA testing? Quite possibly not as definitively.

I should really say that today I am very thankful that I live in such a time where DNA testing and computer research has become commonplace and affordable. Thankful also that I have been able to afford such a hobby financially and time wise, as I could have been still working. Thanks Jim!

I am enraptured at the serendipity that led Jim and I to North Carolina in retirement where I happened upon the research on our family. Thankful that I found distant cousin Don who took this journey with me. Thankful indeed for the new cousins who are just as thrilled as we are.

Just imagine, a man came from the British Isles very, very, long ago and despite all odds founded a small family that still exists. When John Carrow came in 1643 the Britain that he left was barely past the middle ages to come to a country where  conditions were  primitive and wild. Living conditions were stark at best and abysmal at worst. That he had one or more children who lived to move up and down the eastern seaboard and themselves have families is astounding.

We do not know for sure if John Carrow was joined by brothers or cousins whose names were not registered and if he himself was the patriarch  of all of us. The research suggests that he may have been. We are all grateful for whatever life event led to his journey and now, of course, hope that we will finally be able to figure out from whence he came.

Surely a day to celebrate our family.

                                      Idalia Manor ~ Carrow farm in St.Georges Delaware

Surname Saturday ~ Kirwans of Meath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yesterday, thanks to a price reduction at Roots Ireland.ie I was able to locate the death certificates for Patrick Kirwan's father Michael and his grandfather Sylvester. They lived in Ladyrath Rathkenny Meath and Moynalty Meath , an unknown county for me.

Patrick Kirwan was my father's Great grandfather who he knew well.. He took Patrick as his confirmation name. Pat, according to my Dad had a wooden leg. I assume this from a runaway wagon accident which cost him his wife and newborn baby in June 1890. He was a liveryman for the town of Swedesboro. Patrick's wife Lizzie Sweeney delivered a daughter, Maggie, prematurely from the anxiety of Pat's runaway accident. Lizzie died a few days after the delivery and Maggie within the month.

Sarah "Sadie" Kirwan was my great grandmother,she was very young when her mother died. Patrick
apparently found another wife Mary Murray, from Carlow Ireland at some point. They have a daughter Katherine born in 1893. I find Mary and Patrick with Sadie, Sylvester and Katie in the 1900 census and Pat and Mary with Sylvester in 1910. Sylvester dies of TB I believe in 1912. At some point after that Mary and Patrick do not seem to live together but continue to state they are married until their deaths.

Pat was immersed in a murder trial on circumstantial evidence in Swedesboro somewhere around 1894. He and a man named Delaney Armstrong were accused of murdering a man named Gans. A body had washed up on the Delaware shoreline which was declared to be his. Kirwan and Armstrong were last in his company and had argued with him. The public defender did not believe the men were guilty but the trail went on.

At the end of the trial, amazingly enough, the actual body of Mr. Gans washed up on the shore. He had drowned. There were no marks on his body, his clothes were identified as were documents on his person. Patrick and Delaney Armstrong were freed.

Mary Kirwan, his wife was at his side during the trial although it was noted that they were legally separated. They reconciled after the trial and apparently lived together until 1910 or so. Patrick's last residence was in New Jersey in 1930 and he dies in 1939 in the State Hospital in Trenton. They are interred together in Montgomery County PA. with Patrick's only son Sylvester.

I suspect that Pat may not have been the ideal husband although I do not know that. Possibly just a few bad breaks, the "luck of the Irish", he might have said.